Hey everyone, this is a pretty long one. I was inspired. I recently watched the new psychological horror movie Heretic that came out a couple months ago. I went into it thinking that it was going to be distasteful and laughingly inaccurate in its portrayal of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I read that the two women who played the sister missionaries claimed that they used to be in the church, and that made it easier for the producers to show how they might act. Admittedly, I thought this movie was going to really irritate me and serve as a Hollywood criticism built on stereotypes trying to cover a large group of individually very different people (I attend activities at that church frequently and have many family members and friends who are members that I hold to a very high regard.) My dad watched it after I did out of curiosity, and guess what? We actually both really liked it. For a brief overview, Sister Barnes and Sister Paxton go to this one guy’s house and he insists that his wife will come and join them soon. He leaves the room and they get suspicious and creeped out and try to leave, but his door is locked on a timer. They have no service to call anyone so they have no choice but to go deeper into the house and find him. He keeps playing mind games with them and pretending to be nice, which actually almost worked on me (just jokes, he’s played by Hugh Grant.) Anyways, he turns out to be a psychotic cult leader named Mr. Reed and tries to use all these “parables” to convince them that their church wasn’t true and “God isn’t real, religion is just used for control.” I got what the movie was trying to do, and there were some really thought-provoking points, but ultimately what deterred me was the fact that if I were a missionary in this weirdo’s house, his opinion wouldn’t matter to me. Why is he so pressed and making claims that their religion, and all religions, are horrible? He’s the one that’s kidnapping women and trying to play God by making a mental maze. The scariest part was when he broke the fourth wall and started talking about 2017 Lana Del Rey. Anyways, something that I did not expect was the overall pretty positive portrayal of the LDS church throughout. Sister Barnes ended up sacrificing herself to kill Mr. Reed before he could kill Sister Paxton, and neither of the missionaries would give up their faith to the very end. There were themes of perseverance and staying true to being a good person even when they didn’t know how to defend their faith. Also, Mr. Reed ended up being the one having no peace at the end, and he crawled over to die in Sister Paxton’s arms as he finally gave into his lifelong fear of death. As she said, loosely paraphrased, “Even if religion isn’t real, it’s nice to know that we can all pray for each other and hope for peace and reunion in the end. Even if it’s for people like YOU.” However you feel about all the different religions, I think that we could all agree that intentions make all the difference. The sister missionaries were trying to spread hope, and Mr. Reed was just a horrible person. While my personal beliefs as of right now are that I choose to believe in God, I cannot think of a way to prove this. I simply believe in God because I hope for this to be real, and that is the end of it. No matter if you are like me with some rather unconventional beliefs, such as that God may be real but religion is just formed from tradition and the Bible is largely just cultural stories; or if you are steadfast in your religion in all of the traditional senses, the thing that sets us apart from Mr. Reed is truly loving each other and hoping for a happy turnout on Earth and in Heaven for everyone. What do you think about this complicated subject?
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Brylee
4/6/2025 10:59:32 am
I honestly don't have a true opinion on the LDS church or a lot of other religions. When it comes to my own beliefs, I believe that there is a god, but I am not sure if he can affect our life as much as others believe. I believe he gave us free will and gave us the opportunity to take life in our hands and with that our choices are ours no matter if it leads to glory or our own downfall. I have not gone to church in a very long time so I do not know much of his teaching or anything or the sorts so I do not believe I can do much deeper on this topic.
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Mariah
4/6/2025 02:06:24 pm
This is very well said and I agree with you, that God gave us free will and our choices are up to us.
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Emylee Perkins
4/6/2025 03:30:24 pm
I think you and I are pretty similar in our beliefs. I also agree with you that God gave us free will. I would think that if God is real there is true forgiveness and mercy for those who don't accept religion. I would like to think that religion is the human way of trying to connect with whoever is in charge of the truth, so those who are a part of any well-meaning religion or none at all can have peace and an afterlife.
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Megan Aiello
4/6/2025 07:45:36 pm
Yeah, I also agree with you and view it similarly.
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Nicolas Sessions
4/20/2025 09:33:22 pm
I agree that we have the blessing of agency and are able to choose what we do in this life.
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Mariah
4/6/2025 02:04:38 pm
Religion is a very difficult topic, and I will not say too much about my opinion because I acknowledge that many people do not attend my church or share the same views and I do not intend to offend anyone. I do believe that it's important to have good intentions, like the missionaries did, but I also don't think you should press your opinions on anyone else and you should respect their beliefs that are already in place. It is okay to ask questions, like Mr. Reed, it seems, was doing, but it is often impossible to change someone's mind or convert their beliefs so there is a point in which people should stop pressing for opinions and facts and just respect someone. But this goes both ways, missionaries should step back when people already have beliefs and other people should not be aggressive with missionaries.
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Emylee Perkins
4/6/2025 03:24:33 pm
I agree that missionaries should step back when it comes to people not wanting to engage with them further. However, I can sympathize with people because I know most of the time they have good intentions and truly want to help others out by leading them to Christ. I think that is where the difficulties come in - one party believes that without these people learning about Christ, they won't make it to Heaven (varying depending on the specific denomination.) I think it's important that people remember that no matter how much you try to lead them in the right direction, they must want to accept religion for themselves.
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Briella Pace
4/6/2025 07:28:59 pm
THIS! You put into words a lot of my opinions! It’s okay to back off when someone says, a lot of oppression over the years has come from this, such as the Native Americans being forced into Christianity against their spirituality. Or cults taking advantage of the worst of people so that they get automatic power. You don’t have to respect someone’s beliefs, but you have to respect their right to have beliefs, just as you have your own!
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Kennedi
4/6/2025 07:31:46 pm
I agree that you shouldn’t press your beliefs on anyone else. However many churches have missionaries, and that is kind of their goal, is it not? Is it wrong to have other go out and preach what they believe? Or should we stick to ourselves? Almost everybody wants everyone to live a happy life and (if there is a heaven) go there. So is it wrong to talk about religion?
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Daniel Davidson
4/7/2025 11:51:39 am
In my case, as someone who is about to leave on a proselyting mission, I know I am bound to view this very differently. I don't see my mission as a chance to push my religious views onto other people (although, there are probably many who go on missions thinking something like this- which can be why many people have such negative associations with missionaries). For me, my mission to Singapore will be a chance to teach the people there about something that has brought me so much joy, the gospel. I want to bring this joy to them, but I don't want to force it down their throats either. I believe I am supposed to be a representative of Jesus Christ as a missionary, and all of Jesus' teaching came back to love. If my teaching would get in the way of an individual feeling my love for them, I'm doing something wrong. I don't want to force others to see my way. I want to invite them to experience the same happiness I have, and then be respectful and loving towards them, even if they don't feel like my faith is for them. I can't help it if others choose unhappiness. But, I can choose to love them, with Christ-like love, no matter what. That's my plan.
Megan Aiello
4/6/2025 07:46:49 pm
I also agree with your point!
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Briella Pace
4/6/2025 07:24:15 pm
I prefer not to mention religion unless I am incredibly close with the person I am talking to. This is because people tie their identity to religion and you have to tread lightly to criticize a religion without bastardizing someone’s beliefs. That being said I don’t mind too much (on my behalf) when comedy is being used to hold a religious establishment responsible, no church is perfect and they all have glaring issues. I admit that this can be done in a mean spirited way which is unfortunate. Again religion is such a fine line, particularly that people love to dish it when they can’t take it, I’ve seen so many different denominations laugh about another’s belief, while saying that their spirituality is being attacked when it is done to them. Even I’ve done this. Humor is a valid way to share a message, but attack corrupt systems never people. All that matters is that you are comfortable in your beliefs but continue to challenge your perspective <3 every one is worthy of basic human respect
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Kennedi
4/6/2025 07:36:49 pm
I’m gonna have to disagree with you on your last statement. I think there are many people who are not deserving of human respect. I think it is important to have empathy and to understand one another, but there are some things people do that cannot make me change my mind on them. As for religion and comical attacks, I think there is no harm if they aren’t trying to insult, but how do we know how far and what buttons are pushed?
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Kennedi
4/6/2025 07:41:36 pm
Let me clarify real quick. I think human beings deserve respect. People deserve respect. But I do not think that some people’s beliefs and actions deserve respect.
Mariah
4/6/2025 10:03:18 pm
I also try to avoid speaking of religion with people that I am not extremely close to, and even then I hesitate. This is one subject that people get very offended about, and not amount of convincing can try to sway mindsets and beliefs. Therefore, I try to keep an open mind to others and mostly keep my opinions to myself unless we are in a healthy and well balanced discussion.
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Daniel Davidson
4/7/2025 11:55:54 am
You are all so right in this. My beliefs are incredibly personal and powerful, and my deepest convictions are nearly impossible to share aloud, even with humans I'm close to. I feel that respect and mutual care is a vital lubricant in any conversation about religion or core beliefs. It's the only way a kind and constructive communication can be held.
Kennedi Reagan
4/6/2025 07:28:35 pm
As a previous member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have mixed opinions on this topic. I believe that the Book of Mormon musical shares the same message, “We are still Latter Day Saints, all of us. Even if we change some things, or we break the rules, or we have complete doubt that God exists... we can still all work together and make this our paradise planet”. Pretty much saying that as long as we are genuinely good people, try to help others, and have empathy, we’re chillin. This song goes on to talk about how we need to not focus on what happens when we die, but focus on how we can make a greater latter day, continuing on life, not focusing on death. Religions are something that give people comfort, community, and hope, and I will not hate or treat someone different for what they believe. However, I don’t think it is wrong to discus why either side could be wrong. We should be alright to be wrong and/or to disagree.
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Briella Pace
4/6/2025 07:33:21 pm
Very fair point! Religion obviously has done so much good for so many, it has also been used as a tool to do some horrific things. As mature people I think we can have a discussion without attacking others, while still discussing open honest opinions, civil discourse. :)
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Chanci Phillips
4/6/2025 07:51:35 pm
I agree, no matter what you believe in, you should not be just judged by your religion. It is an individual’s own opinion and does not affect another person’s morals and beliefs.
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Megan
4/6/2025 07:42:24 pm
I would also say that I have mixed feelings about this topic too because it can come to problems with people and their beliefs, I think sometimes religious members can also peer pressure non believers in a way so it makes them feel like they are rude and impolite. I think that we non believers or believers should all set our own boundaries and not to step on other people’s boundaries of our ideas on religion.
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Chanci Phillips
4/6/2025 07:48:03 pm
This is very true, it can be hard to set boundaries regarding my own personal beliefs and my loved ones who may not view things as I do. I know that this is just specific to my own experiences and may not be true for others who have been in this situation.
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Chanci Phillips
4/6/2025 07:44:49 pm
I don’t really have any opinions over movies using religion, but I do think that the reason for this, is to connect with a certain audience. Most times it is used to show a different point of view of that religion to inquire the audience. I believe that if a person’s intentions are true, then there is no fault in trying to spread hope to others. Although on the flip side, non-believers may feel tension in family relationships over different beliefs.
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Daniel Davidson
4/7/2025 12:21:44 pm
I believe in balancing the two principles of love of God and love of man. These are the two great commandments after all. Out of love of God and man, I will go serve a mission. Out of love of man, and love of God (by doing my best to keep his commandments) I will do my best to spread the word lovingly, and considerately. I believe if we learn to balance these principles we will live the highest quality lives, having good relationships with others, with Deity, and with ourselves.
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Nicolas Sessions
4/20/2025 09:36:59 pm
I love that take man.
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Nicolas Sessions
4/20/2025 09:46:49 pm
As I am also in the process of going on a mission, I just want to share something I believe is true. That being that in the end it all comes down to love. What I am going to do on my mission is spread the joy and love I have found in my religion. I will invite people to partake in this love and joy I've found. If they don't want to or find my beliefs are not for them then that's okay, I will continue to love them anyway. I think a big problem with all of our different religions and beliefs is that many look down upon others, criticizing, mocking, and trying to fix them. This is not right. These actions will not help anything. Jesus would not go around criticizing others and putting them down. He would lift them up in his pure love for them, no matter their background or past choices. That's the way I want to be I don't want to be lead by hatred but by love. I want to live a Christlike life.
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